“If the USSR still existed/won the Cold War” is my absolute favourite kind of alt history. (Well, I also like hate reading/watching “if Germany won WWII” crap because it’s all so hilariously implausible.) God, that’d be the dream. If only we had gotten the Cold War good ending. I wish the USSR had won both the scientific and military tech races and the cultural dominance game. I wish I lived in a world where it was normal and commonplace across the world to celebrate the anniversary of the Great October Revolution. I wish socialism had won before I was born and the existence of capitalism was just a chapter in my primary school history textbooks.
But that didn’t happen, so we the Western Left have to learn from the Soviets’ successes and failures, and keep fighting to build socialism in our own land.
Same. I know that trends are on our side, but it’s so tragic that the USSR isn’t still here. I do have hope of it returning, though, the KPRF has 63000 new members over the last few years and socialism is increasingly popular in Russia.
It’ll never be the same, but that makes me feel hopeful, funnily enough. I know that restoring the USSR isn’t a magic bullet that’ll bring back the entire 1916-23 revolutionary wave and make it actually work how Lenin predicted this time around, and I’m not even old enough to be the type of washed up old Cold War era Comintern type who thinks of the USSR as a necessary and key guiding star of global socialism that makes our movements all stronger through its own existence, and yet, I still think that reconstructing it will somehow help the Western left. Or at least make having Opinions on the Cold War a little fun and a little scary again.
I think a lot of what Western leftists miss the USSR over… is not anything that will automatically return if Russia becomes a socialist state again. And yet, I still want the USSR back anyway.
Russia going socialist again would certainly strengthen the anti-imperialist movement dramatically, and would give quite a lot of momentum on the western left. The fall of the USSR dramatically raised global disparity, as socialism wasn’t seen as a major threat:
Yep, that’s a very good point. The USSR was a boogeyman for Western governments that created the rise of modern social democracy. Which does reduce material harm… but I’d prefer for us to do a fucking revolution already and have real socialism instead.
I’m just not entirely convinced that Russia alone would have the resources and impact that the old USSR had before Gorbachev wrecked everything. The October Revolution was a very unique and complicated set of material conditions, and the Great Patriotic War was an important factor for all parties involved. There was a lot to the Cold War that relied on the Warsaw Pact as a geopolitical reality, that a socialist modern Russia simply wouldn’t have to the same power levels.
All that said, it is truly none of our business, and it is great that they even still have a communist party at all, and that that party is even a shadow of what the CPSU was.
All good points, but my point is also that the presense of the USSR bolstered socialist revolution globally as well. We can do it, with or without a socialist Russia, but bringing back socialism will dramatically improve our chances.
That it most certainly did! Large, powerful socialist countries, that aren’t particularly isolationist, certainly do that. After all, Western communist parties were a lot less useless when the Comintern was a thing. And while Lenin’s predicted revolutionary wave or domino effect theory may have ended up dead in the water after the October Revolution, it’s probably true that the more places we can make socialism happen in, the easier each further revolution will be to make happen.
To me the biggest hypocracy in general when it came to forms of communism.
It’s a failed ideology, it will always collapse in on itself as soon as it grows.
Followed with
We need to destroy it at all costs to keep it from taking hold anywhere in the world.
You don’t need to stop something that’s self defeating. It’s like the tower of babel story in the bible. Mankind was building up a great tower because they thought uniting they would be a powerful as gods, so god knocked over their tower, scrambled their languages to divide and conquer the world… Isn’t that kind of an admission that, God believed without his interference man can be as strong as he is?
Yep, really US foreign policy purely supports that which it can profit from, and it can’t do that if the population starts using its own resources for its own benefit rather than allowing them to be stolen by the US.
I disagree with the reasons you gave, feeding those in need didn’t hurt the USSR and the GULAG system was abolished several decades prior to the dissolution of the USSR. It’s ultimately a complicated issue, but one that I believe ultimately had to do with rejecting much of the world economy, which resulted in a form of Siege Socialism.
If the USSR had dissolved due to issues like the ones you’re talking about (Gulags being basically entirely dismantled after WW2 so 45 years before the dissolution, and breadlines being nonexistent until the 1980s liberalisation during Perestroika), it would have been dissolved with the popular consensus. There was a referendum in 1990 that asked the citizens of the Soviet Union if they wanted to maintain their country under communism and 70% of voters (admittedly a few republics didn’t participate) voted yes, so the USSR was extremely popular and people didn’t want it dissolved. The reasons for the illegal and antidemocratic dissolution of the USSR are much more complex than that.
If an election shows a socialist country’s government is unpopular, it’s a clear sign of oppression. If an election instead shows a socialist country’s government is popular, well that’s clearly rigged, another clear sign of oppression.
Did… Did you just equate the former socialist state that was the Soviet Union to the contemporary proto-fascist and capitalist Russian Federation that literally emerged out of the dismantling and auctioning of the former??
Can we put the combined efforts of every capitalist market and oligarchy who’s power has reigned uninterrupted since centuries before communism was formally theorized?
Or nah it was probably the… checks notesprisons gulags, right glad those are gone.
Or the bread distribution? Yea didn’t work for Rome either.
I wonder what the modern world would look like had the USSR not been dissolved, and repaired its relationship with the PRC.
“If the USSR still existed/won the Cold War” is my absolute favourite kind of alt history. (Well, I also like hate reading/watching “if Germany won WWII” crap because it’s all so hilariously implausible.) God, that’d be the dream. If only we had gotten the Cold War good ending. I wish the USSR had won both the scientific and military tech races and the cultural dominance game. I wish I lived in a world where it was normal and commonplace across the world to celebrate the anniversary of the Great October Revolution. I wish socialism had won before I was born and the existence of capitalism was just a chapter in my primary school history textbooks.
But that didn’t happen, so we the Western Left have to learn from the Soviets’ successes and failures, and keep fighting to build socialism in our own land.
Same. I know that trends are on our side, but it’s so tragic that the USSR isn’t still here. I do have hope of it returning, though, the KPRF has 63000 new members over the last few years and socialism is increasingly popular in Russia.
It’ll never be the same, but that makes me feel hopeful, funnily enough. I know that restoring the USSR isn’t a magic bullet that’ll bring back the entire 1916-23 revolutionary wave and make it actually work how Lenin predicted this time around, and I’m not even old enough to be the type of washed up old Cold War era Comintern type who thinks of the USSR as a necessary and key guiding star of global socialism that makes our movements all stronger through its own existence, and yet, I still think that reconstructing it will somehow help the Western left. Or at least make having Opinions on the Cold War a little fun and a little scary again.
I think a lot of what Western leftists miss the USSR over… is not anything that will automatically return if Russia becomes a socialist state again. And yet, I still want the USSR back anyway.
Russia going socialist again would certainly strengthen the anti-imperialist movement dramatically, and would give quite a lot of momentum on the western left. The fall of the USSR dramatically raised global disparity, as socialism wasn’t seen as a major threat:
Yep, that’s a very good point. The USSR was a boogeyman for Western governments that created the rise of modern social democracy. Which does reduce material harm… but I’d prefer for us to do a fucking revolution already and have real socialism instead.
I’m just not entirely convinced that Russia alone would have the resources and impact that the old USSR had before Gorbachev wrecked everything. The October Revolution was a very unique and complicated set of material conditions, and the Great Patriotic War was an important factor for all parties involved. There was a lot to the Cold War that relied on the Warsaw Pact as a geopolitical reality, that a socialist modern Russia simply wouldn’t have to the same power levels.
All that said, it is truly none of our business, and it is great that they even still have a communist party at all, and that that party is even a shadow of what the CPSU was.
All good points, but my point is also that the presense of the USSR bolstered socialist revolution globally as well. We can do it, with or without a socialist Russia, but bringing back socialism will dramatically improve our chances.
That it most certainly did! Large, powerful socialist countries, that aren’t particularly isolationist, certainly do that. After all, Western communist parties were a lot less useless when the Comintern was a thing. And while Lenin’s predicted revolutionary wave or domino effect theory may have ended up dead in the water after the October Revolution, it’s probably true that the more places we can make socialism happen in, the easier each further revolution will be to make happen.
To me the biggest hypocracy in general when it came to forms of communism.
It’s a failed ideology, it will always collapse in on itself as soon as it grows.
Followed with
We need to destroy it at all costs to keep it from taking hold anywhere in the world.
You don’t need to stop something that’s self defeating. It’s like the tower of babel story in the bible. Mankind was building up a great tower because they thought uniting they would be a powerful as gods, so god knocked over their tower, scrambled their languages to divide and conquer the world… Isn’t that kind of an admission that, God believed without his interference man can be as strong as he is?
Yep, really US foreign policy purely supports that which it can profit from, and it can’t do that if the population starts using its own resources for its own benefit rather than allowing them to be stolen by the US.
God ? Really ? Self-defeating, oh yes via spending billiins of dollars funding coups & sanctioning & bombing them in the name of Freeeeeeedom
Probably like Europe
At the end of the day, there is a reason the USSR dissolved. Generally related to bread lines, gulags, all that fun stuff
I disagree with the reasons you gave, feeding those in need didn’t hurt the USSR and the GULAG system was abolished several decades prior to the dissolution of the USSR. It’s ultimately a complicated issue, but one that I believe ultimately had to do with rejecting much of the world economy, which resulted in a form of Siege Socialism.
If the USSR had dissolved due to issues like the ones you’re talking about (Gulags being basically entirely dismantled after WW2 so 45 years before the dissolution, and breadlines being nonexistent until the 1980s liberalisation during Perestroika), it would have been dissolved with the popular consensus. There was a referendum in 1990 that asked the citizens of the Soviet Union if they wanted to maintain their country under communism and 70% of voters (admittedly a few republics didn’t participate) voted yes, so the USSR was extremely popular and people didn’t want it dissolved. The reasons for the illegal and antidemocratic dissolution of the USSR are much more complex than that.
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If an election shows a socialist country’s government is unpopular, it’s a clear sign of oppression. If an election instead shows a socialist country’s government is popular, well that’s clearly rigged, another clear sign of oppression.
I’m getting a little tired of hot takes from those who don’t know shit about fuck.
Did… Did you just equate the former socialist state that was the Soviet Union to the contemporary proto-fascist and capitalist Russian Federation that literally emerged out of the dismantling and auctioning of the former??
Can we put the combined efforts of every capitalist market and oligarchy who’s power has reigned uninterrupted since centuries before communism was formally theorized?
Or nah it was probably the… checks notes
prisonsgulags, right glad those are gone.Or the bread distribution? Yea didn’t work for Rome either.
Ever tried Sabotage ?